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General stuff / Re: Picking things back up
« Last post by webby2 on March 02, 2024, 08:28:12 am »I have rebuilt my test-part, I have made it smaller and with only 4 subsystems.
They all are mounted in bearings on a frame and they are all connected to each other with a single common part. They are all connected so that there rotational change is the same and in the same direction as each other.
I have test pulleys that are 31mm radius and are mounted on each subsystem shaft. I am using these to test input and output stuff so that I can identify and follow what the feedback systems are within the whole system.
On one pulley I have wrapped a string with a 180g mass hanging on it, well I can not find my other 180g mass right now so on another pulley that is opposite the first one I have wrapped a string with a 250g mass hanging on it.
The drop and lift distances are the same due to the pulley radius being the same and the angle change being the same.
There are force changes within the systems and in one point of view that can be viewed as a 3:1 and this is where the feedback part is that I am looking into, it should cancel that advantage.
So,, I start the first test with the 180g mass low and the 250g mass high, let the system slip through my fingers and the 250g goes down and the 180g goes up nicely for a 180 degree rotation. Now I reset my system for the other 180 degrees of rotation but I set the 180g mass high and the 250g mass low.
I use Mr. Finger to help the 180g mass to move down, a small amount of rotation and the 250g mass will drop back down, go past that value and the 250g mass no longer can lift the 180g mass, Mr. Finger is noticing a "heavy sluggish" feel but it is the same for either direction of rotation, keep rotating and Mr. Finger notices this "feeling" is reducing until there is a point where it is very easy to rotate the system in either direction a little bit, 10-20 degrees.
I tried to add 70g to the 180g mass to see if it would lift the 250g mass, well it did not work so well and the sluggish feeling got much worse.
I have to improve a few parts and then make sure that I have not created an artificial force potential with the setup, nothing like loading a spring without realizing it to mess with things.
They all are mounted in bearings on a frame and they are all connected to each other with a single common part. They are all connected so that there rotational change is the same and in the same direction as each other.
I have test pulleys that are 31mm radius and are mounted on each subsystem shaft. I am using these to test input and output stuff so that I can identify and follow what the feedback systems are within the whole system.
On one pulley I have wrapped a string with a 180g mass hanging on it, well I can not find my other 180g mass right now so on another pulley that is opposite the first one I have wrapped a string with a 250g mass hanging on it.
The drop and lift distances are the same due to the pulley radius being the same and the angle change being the same.
There are force changes within the systems and in one point of view that can be viewed as a 3:1 and this is where the feedback part is that I am looking into, it should cancel that advantage.
So,, I start the first test with the 180g mass low and the 250g mass high, let the system slip through my fingers and the 250g goes down and the 180g goes up nicely for a 180 degree rotation. Now I reset my system for the other 180 degrees of rotation but I set the 180g mass high and the 250g mass low.
I use Mr. Finger to help the 180g mass to move down, a small amount of rotation and the 250g mass will drop back down, go past that value and the 250g mass no longer can lift the 180g mass, Mr. Finger is noticing a "heavy sluggish" feel but it is the same for either direction of rotation, keep rotating and Mr. Finger notices this "feeling" is reducing until there is a point where it is very easy to rotate the system in either direction a little bit, 10-20 degrees.
I tried to add 70g to the 180g mass to see if it would lift the 250g mass, well it did not work so well and the sluggish feeling got much worse.
I have to improve a few parts and then make sure that I have not created an artificial force potential with the setup, nothing like loading a spring without realizing it to mess with things.